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-jovanie_
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jovanie_

3 years ago
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enjoy it Twisted Evil
A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has
with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . ..

Professor : You are Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.
But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella.
Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . .. . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?

(Student had no answer)

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
Tell me, son .. . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
a Little Heat or No Heat.
But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold.
Heat is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and it's called Darkness, isn't it?
In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavour,
Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

(The Class was in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says that You have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.


NB:

I believe you have enjoyed the Conversation . . . and if so . . .
You'll probably want your Friends / Colleagues to enjoy the same . . . won't you?
Forward them to Increase their Knowledge . . . or FAITH.
That student was Albert Einstein!

Started Max last September 2008

Jovanie_
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+Steve Martin
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Steve Martin

3 years ago
You're not spamming us are you Jovanie? This looks a bit like a chain email.
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-jovanie_
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jovanie_

3 years ago
I ain't spamming mate..

I've read this from other place.. Just wanted to share this with you guys..
I have no bad intention..

sorry if I did make u feel like that... I just post this coz it's an interesting conversation for me that's all..

If this thread is not good to read.. I suggest that admin delete my post... thx 4 reading...
Started Max last September 2008

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+Steve Martin
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Steve Martin

3 years ago
Nah, don't worry about it. It's just that it says to forward to people down the bottom there, thought you might have got it in an email. I agree with what Tyson says below though, it can be a bad idea talking about this sort of stuff cause everyone's got different opinions.
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+Jamie
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Jamie

3 years ago
While this does look like a spam email, this issue is very interesting. However I'm not sure that starting a "conversation" between atheists and christians is a good idea.
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-Altopais
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Altopais

3 years ago
I'm atheist grin.gif and i had my fair share of religious conversations, most of them when i was drunk but they still count haha
There are couple of things that should never be discussed, one's personal taste and the other one is religion. Both conversations are pointless.
The secret of creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
-Albert Einstein

-Tyson
Senior Member
Tyson

3 years ago
I agree its like pushing shit up hill and pissing in the wind at the same time.

-Altopais
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Altopais

3 years ago
i never tried pushing shit up hill but i did piss in the wind couple of times grin.gif messy messy haha
The secret of creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
-Albert Einstein

+Jamie
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Jamie

3 years ago
Agreed. Lol
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-Tyson
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Tyson

3 years ago
Man, never mention religion or politics. As interesting as this issue is its really just painfull. one person thinks one thing another person thinks another, none of us know for sure and talking about it just makes us want to fight each other and always has done.

-cdballew
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cdballew

3 years ago
Let's not say> Fuck and shit.

Lets keep it PG.

Yeah I said fuck and shit............That does not mean I want to here that!

Chris

+Jamie
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Jamie

3 years ago
Who said it? was it me haha.
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+isaac
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isaac

3 years ago
With the Spam issue aside, the conversation has to fictitious.
You have a professor that's making simple observations about an entity based on a belief system. And some how loses the argument against illogical comparisons. It’s not a realistic conversation. It sounds closer to someone who wishes they were the student, in that conversation. Maybe the writer lost the argument in real life and wanted to feel better by posting what would have happened, had he not?

Instead of using logic to argue, that god IS part of a belief system and that our existence is only proven by belief, the student goes on to arguing the existence of temperature which is completely irrelevant. It's not comparable! It was only brought up to validate a point, of some kind. (Refer to the Chewbacca on endor defense in "southpark" )
And by the way, “COLD” exists.

Then the student tries to argue that some points in science are part of a competing belief system by asking why we believe in evolution, if we can't see it. Why do zealots always do that? It’s not the same thing. I can believe in god because I have no answer to string theory. I can believe because we have no answer as to why humans evolved so fast in an unrealistic amount of time. I can believe because after seeing the element composition made up of other planets in our galaxy, none matches ours. And going back to evolution…
We can see it. We do see it. We have solid proof. And we're seeing it right now in labs in other organisms, occurring rapidly.

-jovanie_ I don't mind you recommending me something, you enjoy. But don't give me garbage, to sample it.

Yeah we might need rules against ethics and commentary, or a premium member account forum section, that allows it.


-griffinax
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griffinax

3 years ago
Most of the points which the student pointed out were ridiculous.. you can feel electricity, cold, gravity, and hell if you cut the prof's head you can see/touch/smell/eat his brainz!
"I'm like a rookie paramedic to a siren, praying for an accident.."
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-desade2009
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desade2009

3 years ago
i thought i wouldn't get into this discussion because my obviously aetheistic views would offend a lot of people, perhaps.
so i still won't discuss it philosophically. or, theologically, to be exact.
i will, however, point out certain logical and factual errors in the student's argument.
a) there is no such thing as heat or cold. The only measurable value in both cases is Temperature. Empirically, it is a form of energy.
You can not measure heat. You can only measure temperature. If I say "This water is hot." it is absolutely meaningless, from an objective point of view. If a creature which could withstand 1000 degrees Celsius steps into that "hot"water, my statement will make no sense to it. Heat is a word that humankind has ascribed to a relative, subjective experience of temperature. Similarly, cold.
b) the same goes for the "darkness" argument. "Darkness" is just a word created. Again, this is relative and subjective. If a creature lives on a planet with almost no sunlight, what it describes as "bright light" will be something like what we call "darkness". It is measurable only as a form of energy. Hence, the argument that is given - "you cannot make Darkness Darker" - is meaningless, because darkness itself is not an objective quantity, and so all degrees thereof would only be relative terms. Which means, that in traditional human sense, yes, you can make darkness darker. It is meaningless as a statement, but to humans it will make perfect sense.
c) the "have you ever seen evolution take place" argument is ridiculous. here's why. If i was a creature capable of living 100 billion years, on earth, then YES i would have physically seen evolution take place with my own eyes. since i am not, i can only judge through evidence that lies before me.
d) the last argument about the brain is absolute drivel. "has anyone touched the professors brain, felt it?" i don't think i'll even point out the errors in that one.

yes i should've stayed away from this one. delete my post.



Cogito, Ergo Sum

+isaac
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isaac

3 years ago
The word cold is valid as any other word that has a definition. Does the word exist? Yes. Is its point communicated perfectly once used? Yes. Therefore there is such a thing as cold...

-desade2009
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desade2009

3 years ago
the word exists but it is not a measurable quantity. therefore it exists only as a relative experience. It will communicate its point perfectly to any human that we speak to.
the base quantity there is "Heat Energy" (i think measured in Joules). its effect is a rise or fall in Temperature.
so yeah, the words "heat" (not heat energy) and "cold" are equally subjective. the student in jovanie's post says "there's only heat, and absence of heat". well i was just pointing out that both are just relative degress of temperature, and thus both are equally valid (from a subjective POV) or invalid (from an objective POV).


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+isaac
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isaac

3 years ago
Exactly.
Now, going back, did you read my post? In my original post, I went into how irrelevant that whole part was. In fact it hurts the student's argument because, the belief in the concept of "cold" is almost like believing in "god" to some. And he was arguing against the concept, shooting him self in the foot.


-jovanie_
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jovanie_

3 years ago
x2

"the word exists but it is not a measurable quantity. therefore it exists only as a relative experience."
Started Max last September 2008

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Jamie

3 years ago
Guys this is getting dangerous haha. I have to lock it. Sorry.
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