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-cdballew
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cdballew

3 years ago
This is something isaacg said his friends have said to him.. "Just pop it into 3D"
Although I've never heard this exactly, I can really relate to it.
I've always felt that "non-3Ders" think we just press a button or two and the computer does all the work. Some people just don't understand what is involved.
This seems especially true with artist that only use "real" brushes and "actual" canvas.

I just wanted to hear what you guys think.


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+VarnishedOtter
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VarnishedOtter

3 years ago
I know jamie has copped alot of flak for his "paintings".
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+Jamie
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Jamie

3 years ago
Yep I sure have... "oh did you paint that!!!" "why yes I did... on the computer" "oh on the computer... never mind then".

Don't even get me started on this subject... sigh.
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-cdballew
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cdballew

3 years ago
That's a shame, dudes got some great work.
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+Jamie
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Jamie

3 years ago
Damm right I do... hahaha.
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-Tyson
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Tyson

3 years ago
Yeah its hard to convince fine arts people that digital art is just as "artistic" as traditional media but then again I've always encountered this problem surrounding the destinction drawn between "fine arts" and "graphic arts" all of my art teachers over the years have flat out disregarded artists like moebius, giger, Boris, frazetta, etc.. and these guys still use traditional media. I guess its about the subject matter too.
Plus CG is a very new medium, just like photography was. it will probably mature and start to get taken seriously in the art world soon enough.

The issue of people thinking that you just have to tell your computer to make an awesome image while you scratch you're arse is something we can only combat by making art work without resorting to programs like poser and vue etc.. if you build it all from scratch then its just like starting with a blank canvas. Its not always possible and you sometimes need to use model libraries or do paintovers etc.. to meet deadlines but if you are submitting work as fine art then I say build everything from scratch within reason of course...


+Jamie
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Jamie

3 years ago
Yea well lets hope my art school has a better opinion of digital arts coz otherwise im screwed hahah......*runs of an cries in the corner.
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+Steve Martin
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Steve Martin

3 years ago
I think digital art is going to have a hard time trying to get put into the same catagory as the more traditional arts, mainly due to the way technology is always giving us faster and easier ways of creating stuff. Paints and pencils etc haven't really changed for hundreds of years but with digital art there's always going to be that perception that it's technology doing the work for us.
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-John West Minor
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John West Minor

3 years ago
Well, isn't technology doing a lot of the work for us?

And why is that be a bad thing?

It doesn't matter if someone else thinks it's just "Hurr, you had the computer make that for you, hurr, not fine art, hurr" it only matters that we know it's fine art.



-Altopais
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Altopais

3 years ago
pencil didn't change, but the artist's view of that pencil, and what he can and want to do with ti is changed, computer is just another tool. it doesn't have a "Make art Button" on it, you need to use your senses to produce something.
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-cdballew
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cdballew

3 years ago
Yes, technology does do a lot of the work. I don't think anyone HERE has said, or will say it's a bad thing.
To me it does matter that some people have the misconception that digital art is "easy" or "done for you". It doesn't matter so much to me as an individual, but it does matter somewhat to the digital arts community as a whole. It seems there is a double standard held in the art world.

Give one traditional medium artist a chunk of granite and give another a piece of soapstone, plaster, or some other relatively soft material. When both artist have done their thing, what matters? What matters is the accomplishment of the most meaningful and pleasing work, the level of difficulty does not. Can the same be said for brush vs. input device?
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-Jasikk
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Jasikk

3 years ago
LOL il be discussing this argument for honours... whenever i end up doing it, i know that anthea knows about 'the crusade' of 3D/so-called New Media/Digital artists. it all boils down to ignorance, and pretentiousness really.
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-jovanie_
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jovanie_

3 years ago
I agree with +cdballew... "thumbs up for that mate"

non-3Ders or non-CG artist.. just ignore the art of CG..

I also experience this too at my school.. students at other course only says Hard Crits.. like it's not nice not that good, take note they don't even know how to edit simple video's... If only I have the courage to tell them that this kind of work isn't that easy to learn that fast....


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+Steve Martin
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Steve Martin

3 years ago
Yeh, any true artist will understand that art can be expressed in any way, even with a computer. Methods are always evvolving, one day we'll probably be complaining about some new method that involves projecting our thoughts onto a screen.
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+isaac
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isaac

3 years ago
I saw someone on cgtalk.com who would make photo realistic images of people 100% of the time. The renders were mostly woman and referenced perfectly to the original person. If you're not doing digital stunt doubles, then what's the point? Take a photo! It's like climbing mount Everest over and over, when everyone else goes higher in a plane.

There is much more to cg art than pushing a button. But when you have technology that can 3d scan and texture automatically, sometimes it feels pointless to train for perfection.

The truth is we train for realism in hope to show off the impossible.

-johnbeyer
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johnbeyer

3 years ago
I agree with all of you here and everyone's statement is correct. I found myself loving CG art because I can create my own worlds and give people feelings they have never had before because we create things that are not real but may look very real.

You know, there is this teacher on my school, who gives us drawing lessons..I am really bad at drawing, and I told him about my CG art things and he freaked out completely. all he likes is pencils and papers. But he just loved the film Beowulf, oh, yeah, he did....CG mister, 100% cg.......

The world needs artists like us , really, in the end, we are the builders grin.gif

Nah seriously I think that what we do or what we are trying to achieve is something we should really continue to do and pass it on to the next generation.

When I heared about 3dsmax and Vray renderings I was sold completely, I really looked up to the artists and figured it would impossible for me to achieve what they achieved ever ever ever. Well, few months later, and i'm between a gang of all these cg' fan's and they are sure great grin.gif

Thanks DAF smile.gif

-griffinax
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griffinax

3 years ago
"The world needs artists like us , really, in the end, we are the builders"
Nuffin moar to say!
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